Nick Mamatas ([info]nihilistic_kid) wrote,
@ 2004-01-20 21:16:00
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Career choice
Last night, we talked about the importance of song choice as regards American Idol. Today we will talk about career choice, as right now on the show they're showing us some of the worst and most arrogant performers.

One woman, in fact, just flailed around while bellowing a song from Flashdance with all the verve and grace of a drunken Soviet tank commander. She didn't take well to being asked if her act was just a put-on. (I thought it was a put-on myself.) She was absolutely serious, she said, started to cry, and demanded that the judges take her to Hollywood, because all they would need to do is get her synthesizers and a choreographer like they do with "all the other singers" and she would be just as good as they are. She was "willing to go out there." Of course, so is everyone else. That's why thousands of singers, many of them very very bad, try out for American Idol. Another very bad signer just demanded a televised apology for being laughed at by the judges. A third was very calm while droning on, but was disappointed that the judges failed to see "in his heart" and realize how important it was that he get on tv.

Time and again the judges say "This isn't for you," "Stop doing this," and "You are not a singer." Why? Why not just say that they aren't ready for a high-level competition and to keep practicing? Well, the answer is easy: because they have already failed. These people have failed to look reality square in the face and take the measure of their own talents and skills. In any job with a star system (only a few people earn lots of money/status; hundreds of thousands of others make nothing or almost nothing), knowing one's level and endeavoring to improve is not optional. It has to be the FIRST thing you do.

Because star systems have an element of arbitrariness and luck (just like crossing the street) people are convinced that it is not what you know, but who you know, that allows one to get famous, get a book deal, etc. Knowing people is better than not knowing anyone, but talent and skill are crucial. Getting a career in the arts isn't like winning a lottery or being struck by lightning, it's like getting into the best medical school in the country and becoming a top brain surgeon.

Every third kid in kindergarten wants to be a doctor. Most of them wipe out in the sciences and mathematics around seventh grade. A bunch of others freak out in college, don't get the right scholarship, discover the Gamers Guild and spend a decade stinking up the dorm room, etc. The only difference is that people who want to be singers or writers call themselves singers and writers before knowing anything. The average college sophomore bio major, on the other hand, isn't rushing into operating rooms and poking at the skulls.

Not surprisingly we see the same from would-be writers, especially those whose bibliographies are filled with material published by iUniverse, 1stBooks, and other POD vanity presses. They're paying to publish but they're already superstars in their own minds, though certainly not in reality.

One writes, At this point in my youth I was certain about two things. First, pen and paper were much cheaper than a movie camera and all that went with the visual medium; second, one good book made into a movie by experienced film makers was all that was needed for a foothold in life. Yep, write a book, option it to Hollywood, collect the movie money. Just like going to community college for a degree in Accounting (minor in Computer Applications).

Here's another fellow, who paid to have his books published by POD vanities: With another full length novel scheduled for release in the next year, and another one already written, along with a poetry collection, A.P. Fuchs will be rapidly ascending all the bestseller charts... And stardom is imminent...though hesitantly welcomed.

Here's another one so incoherent that all I can gather from it is that he thinks he has an audience somewhere: Brett has explained the concept of this and other future novels with many horror fans, and their reactions inspired him to continue with his literary endeavor. Although he cannot speak for them to provide a decent list of credentials, he can tell you honestly, that if it wasn't for the many mortal souls that cry out into the darkness for the terror he creates in his mind, he would not be this serious of a writer.

Along with statements like these comes the belief that all the greats --Whitman, Poe, Twain -- self-published their work. These 19th century figures used the now obsolete model of subscription publishing, which is hardly the same thing as modern vanity publishing. The few realistic and skilled self-publishers like Kelly Link and Carlton Mellick III have no illusions about Hollywood deals or the bestseller charts. Link published a collection because the larger publishers wanted a novel along with the collection. Mellick is a talented but resolutely anti-commercial writer. We also don't see a lot of death metal singers in American Idol for the same reason. Link and Mellick did the practice and developed the skills.

Career choice is easy. You make the choice to follow a career, then make all the other choices that accompany that as they come up. Missteps and wrong choices are common enough, but also easy enough to reverse, unless one makes too great of a bad choice. Wandering into American Idol auditions thinking one is hot shit when one simply cannot sing at all is one of those bad choices so great that one may as well call it in. It suggests a delusion as pure as expecting one's iUniverse poetry collection to find its way to the bestseller lists.


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[info]ex_mjayg378
2004-01-20 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Great essay, I often wonder just what the hell some of those people on Idol are thinking... or who the hell told them they have any talent at all.

Oh well, anyway, here is the inevitable quiz link.

http://quiz.daylight-again.org/aijudges/

Luckily, I'm Simon. If I was Paula I was going to kill myself.

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[info]adriennelily
2004-01-20 06:33 pm UTC (link)
The thing that baffles me is where the hell were these people's friends? Who convinced them that they have what it takes to "make it"? Who gave them the confidence to believe they are actually good at this? Why didn't someone, someone who cares, stop them from this humiliation?

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[info]nihilistic_kid
2004-01-20 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Listeners are often as tone deaf as singers.

Exhibit A: applause at the karaoke bar.

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[info]elysdir
2004-01-21 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Sometimes people's friends are the ones who give them that confidence. Whether honestly or to avoid hurting feelings, I don't know, but I've seen plenty of writers whose writing isn't (in my opinion) very good, who've been told by their friends that they're brilliant. Of course, it could be me who's wrong; the friends may be seeing good aspects that I'm missing. On the other hand, their opinions may be overly colored by liking the artist; they may honestly not see the flaws. Hard to say.

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[info]welcomerain
2004-01-20 06:47 pm UTC (link)
I have noticed this attitude of "you're being unfair, I am really great, there isn't anything to learn, I can just up and do it" is particularly endemic to any of the arts -- anything where excellence is subjective. There is always some whiny Jean Teasdale that can gather a coterie of losers around her and say "See? This proves that I am good! Because they say so! You can't say they're wrong!" Well, no. But who wants to get into a battle of majority vs. minority opinion? The world is full of people with bad taste, which is too bad. But I'm tired of this PC crap contaminating all the arts. Films, music, TV shows, dance, writing; you name it, there's tons of people who think they can just Be Stars. BRAAAAAP.

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[info]nihilistic_kid
2004-01-20 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Eh, everyone blames everything on the "PC" bugaboo, but this sort of thing long predates PC, to the extent that PC was ever anything other than a masive right-wing overreaction to a few tedious academics.

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[info]yuki_onna
2004-01-20 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Before you descended like an angel into my life, I thought about self-publishing after I had been taken advantage of and rejected enough times I was too tired to go much further. But I never had the delusions of these guys. I have never once thought I could make enough money writing to not have to teach, and have always had my academic background as a Plan B. I have a realistic view of which of my books have bestseller potential and which will always be niche-market curiosities. But I never set out to "get" anything thorugh writing. I just wanted to write. My bio reads nothing like these ego ejaculations. Writing isn't a get rich quick scheme, and these assholes make my blood boil. Thank god I was rescued from being lumped in with them.

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[info]unwrecked
2004-01-20 07:07 pm UTC (link)
Okay, so my wife was watching the Idol show tonight, and on my way past the damn TV to walk the dog, I saw the last guy forget the lyrics to "Sweet Home Alabama" and then he teared up in the interview afterward.

My wife said "Poor guy!" And I was like "No -- he's deluded! He seriously thinks he deserves to be on the show!"

I'm amazed at the lies people tell themselves to get out of working hard at something. But that didn't stop me from ordering a Devil Glass travel mug! Suh-weet!

-- Mike

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[info]buscemi
2004-01-20 08:06 pm UTC (link)
This follows my theory of "The less someone knows, the more they think they know." In other words, a person with little or no musical training thinks it's easy to become a singer/musician without really trying. Simon's doing them a favor by telling them they stink. Hell, he's doing the tv audience a favor because we'll never have to hear them again. *crosses fingers*

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speaking of rolling in stink
(Anonymous)
2004-01-20 08:14 pm UTC (link)
>These people have failed to look reality square in the face and take the measure of their own talents and skills.<

i doubt the clueless Idol contestants are hearing this ego-lashing for the first time. denial isn't always plugging your ears and humming. sometimes it's an incessant shouting match with reality, and sometimes one of your pathetic matches goes out before a globally watched tv show.

i'd love to see a show called After Idol. ryan, please track these people after they've endured the worst ritualistic humiliation our generation can throw at them. first episode: the guy who sang "like a virgin" last year. did he ever get a clue, even after being on the show and being made him the butt of america's joke. "you loser. didn't you KNOW you sucked?" or is he in defiant denial and still doing karaoke on nights when the crowds are thin so fewer people heckle him?

that's right. i want to follow the shit all the way down the drain.

-barth

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Re: speaking of rolling in stink
[info]nihilistic_kid
2004-01-20 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Keith and several other bad singers were on the show later on, doing a medly. They do get something out of it, it seems, if only a little local notoriety and perhaps some money.

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[info]matociquala
2004-01-20 08:15 pm UTC (link)
[info]tanaise calls the phenomenon 'the entitlement gnome.'

The entitlement gnome says things like: "I am entitled to succeed, because I have talent. Anybody who does not see my talent is obviously either Blind to My Genius or Jealous and Trying to Keep me Down."

Oddly enough, most writers and other artists I know who have experienced some success tend to get very flustered when told how talented they are. Because they know they're not: it's just time in the trenches.

If I had a nickel for everybody who has said to me, "I wish I had the time to write a novel--"

--if you are going to write a novel, you write a novel. Otherwise, you spend yout time watching American Idol and complaining that you don't have time to write a novel.

Present company excepted, of course.

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[info]mechaieh
2004-01-20 10:35 pm UTC (link)
Funny thing, talent. I was reading a joint interview with Meryl Streep and Al Pacino (Newsweek, I think) at the clinic today, and something that struck me was both of them admitting to moments of absolute "what the fuck am I'm doing/who am I fooling"-ness on every project they work on, even though the interview also makes clear that they both possess the healthy egos of people who know they've done damn good work.

And then there's master calligrapher Peter Thornton, who apparently likes to tell his students: "Whining implies it should be easy."

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[info]subverseshun
2004-01-20 08:16 pm UTC (link)
"if it wasn't for the many mortal souls that cry out into the darkness for the terror he creates in his mind . . ."

Get yr tinfoil hats, guys, because many mortal souls are psychic.

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[info]zoomardav
2004-01-20 09:09 pm UTC (link)
This study was an attempt to measure the gap between self-assessment of ability and reality. They found that the people with the lowest skill levels in a specific ability were the ones that most lacked the ability to judge quality in that ability.

It's worth reading.

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[info]slithytove
2004-01-20 09:30 pm UTC (link)
Great link. The human condition is sometimes very sad, isn't it?

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I'm gonna be a *S*T*A*R*
(Anonymous)
2004-01-21 06:48 am UTC (link)
Sorry for the Annon post, but I don't have an LJ of my own. I did once, but I spent so much time writing posts and comments here that I didn't write stories. I still check things out from time to time.

I loved your essay and many of the comments that followed. I watched Idol last night and like many here, I tried to make a connection to writing. I realized we were only being given two ends of the spectrum last night--the very best and the absolute worst.

Both groups have their equivalent in the publishing world. On one end, the writer presents a tightly edited manuscript in a fixed font on plain white paper. The other writer sends in a grammatical nightmare in a proportional font on scented lavender paper.

As with singing, our friend who chose the colored paper often gets frustrated by the editor who just can't see that the story was from his or her heart, or who becomes angry by the editor who can't see his or her genius. This group tends to move to a vanity publisher, just as Idol rejects might head to a studio with cash in hand to cut a vanity single. In my mind, it's no big loss.

What causes me real heartbreak is when a competent writer gets frustrated by rejections, or through his or her own naivete, finds a vanity publisher. I'm honestly grateful to all of you out there who send the warning out to others about vanity/POD publishing. I'm new to writing and essays like yours are very helpful.

I'm just getting over the honeymoon phase, where my writing is the flawless spouse. It's taken me a year, but the rose colored glasses are now off, and I can see the flaws in my own writing. Unlike a marriage, I can actually do something to "fix" my partner's flaws.

They never showed the moderately talented singers, and I'm glad they didn't. There were people who undoubtedly came along with a good song choice and years of voice training, only to fall just short of those who were selected. It must have been frustrating to work hard for years and only have one of the three judges think you were good enough to move on. It's like getting 4th place in the Olympics.

Oh, one more thing. You wrote, "one woman, in fact, just flailed around while bellowing a song from Flashdance with all the verve and grace of a drunken Soviet tank commander." That line was pure gold.

Ok, time to pound out more mediocre prose. And work.

Avinday

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Re: I'm gonna be a *S*T*A*R*
[info]nihilistic_kid
2004-01-21 06:58 am UTC (link)
I agree that it is a big waste when a competent writer goes to the vanity presses. I actually think it is a big waste when an incompetent one does as well, really. I can't speak to singing, but I believe that writing can be learned (if not exactly taught) by pretty much everyone. Nearly every writer starts off more-or-less incompetent, but the ones that improve are the ones who make that first correct choice: look reality in the face. They're the ones who write a novel and stick it in a trunk, then another, and another, and the fourth becomes their "first novel."

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[info]astrophysicat
2004-01-21 07:55 am UTC (link)
I find it particularly humorous that you chose to compare and contrast the desire to become a doctor (or in my case scientist) versus an artist. For me, as a child, I totally bought in to the idea that both were based on pure talent (not practice and industriousness), and what this meant was that I gave up on the arts. Because I could see great paintings, listen to true musicians, read books that created whole worlds, but I knew that I couldn't do that, and I refused to admit that either practice or being older than 7 might help me improve my own works. On the other hand, I didn't have very much exposure at all with brilliant mathematicians, and had no idea exactly how much more math and science there was out there for me to learn, I just knew I understood what we were learning in school pretty much instantaneously. So my ability to appreciate great art made me sure I wasn't talented enough at it, while my obliviousness to scientific genius made me think I could totally do that. And okay, so I am an astronomer now, so in a sense I was right, but part of me still wishes I hadn't gotten so frustrated with music and painting and even writing as a child, or that I had the guts and dedication to truly put time into the arts now, as more than just a hobby. But it's just too scary, too uncertain, and too "the grass is always greener on the other side."

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[info]jenlight
2004-01-21 09:33 am UTC (link)
I don't have anything to add, I just want to tell you that I actually know what you're talking about because I've begun watching such TV shows!

Oh, my favorite was the cherub with the eyebrow piercing that they couldn't stop laughing at.
I've been to many an audition, as a youngster. If they had laughed I would have stuck a gun in my mouth. Young people are so darned serious.

Also, auditions are not for everyone. No matter how much talent someone has, they may never be able to audition. It's a nerve thing.

Me... I'm not talented. That's a talent thing.

I guess I had stuff to add.

I WATCHED IT!!

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[info]haddayr
2004-01-21 10:35 am UTC (link)
I think there must be something seriously wrong with me. I do not have the stomach to watch American Idol, but everyone else thinks it's hilarious. Perhaps it's because I've been to too many auditions in the past or something, but . . . I just feel awful for those people, no matter how stupid or self-righteous they may be. Some of them, from what I've seen on ads for the show (cringing and peeking from between my interlaced fingers) are genuinely clueless and sheepish in the face of the cruelty from the judges, aren't they?

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[info]nihilistic_kid
2004-01-21 11:18 am UTC (link)
The judges are kinder to the well-meaning but clueless singers.

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[info]scarletbronte
2004-01-21 12:27 pm UTC (link)


PC, btw, is what gives people like my Native American daughter the right to serve in the armed forces so people like you can say what you think about those less fortunate than yourselves. In a better world, you would be ashamed.

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[info]nihilistic_kid
2004-01-21 12:36 pm UTC (link)
Huh? I guess you're commenting on [info]welcomerain's notion that "PC" is to blame for people being too nice for bad singers. It's worth noting that a) I disputed that and that b) PC, as it is commonly understood as a post-Cold War attempt at linguistic nicety, has very little concretely to do with the fight for equal rights, and even better, liberation. In fact, PC emerged at the end of the Reagan-era as a sort of consolation prize for all the attacks on non-whites perpetrated by the Republicans.

As far as the armed services, unless one is a member of Kuwait's royal family or a major shareholder in Haliburton, they do not protect our freedom of speech. "We" protect our own freedom of speech by speaking and by defying state control of speech.

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[info]rambleflower
2004-01-21 12:34 pm UTC (link)
Nick, you got me to watch American Idol for the first time evar last night. It's strangely compelling, and I can't get it out of my mind today. Flashdance girl especially got to me, the way she kept telling them, "But I lost 80 pounds" as if that was enough to progress to the next round. Sigh.

I'm glad someone in this comments board mentioned the middle-of-the-road singers, as I was wondering about them, too. I mean, I can sing better than their bad examples, but not nearly well enough to make it very far at all in AI; I figure the bulk of the auditions must have been in this category -- not bad enough to be interesting, not good enough to go on. Of course, maybe I'm wrong -- maybe competent singers realize they're only competent and stay away.

This all reminds me of a link Jon Hansen posted a few days ago. It's to an article called Can't Write? Don't Write about how so many people assume that of course they can write a novel and yet it's really much harder than stringing a bunch of prose together. If you haven't read it yet, check it out. It reminded me of you :-)

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[info]affinity8
2004-01-21 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Great post, though I never watch American Idol. Thought of it when I stumbled across the utterly bizarre site http://www.everyonewhosanyone.com/agus1.html where some guy posts all the email responses he gets from agents re his queries, and his increasingly bizarre responses to them. It's either a very funny parody or very, very sad.

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(Anonymous)
2004-01-22 09:55 am UTC (link)
I don't quite get what's "very, very sad" about it, but it sure ain't a parody except insofar as most everything is. Thanks. G.

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(Anonymous)
2004-01-21 07:54 pm UTC (link)
I know someone who's in A&R. this person will sometimes tell me about the many CDs he/she has gone through -- made by aspiring musicians convinced of their own talent, when in fact the music sometimes has few or no redeeming qualities. part of my friend's job is to give a bit of positive feedback on each CD in addition to any negative comments, and often she/he has a really difficult time finding ANYTHING positive to say. it must be horrible to have put so much work into developing one's "talent" when one has none!

it is strange that most of us who *are* competent as commercial artists or writers or musicians are constantly plagued by self-doubt(I know "success" is somewhat subjective, but if you keep getting paid to do something, you probably don't completely suck). my mentor claims that this is because as creative people, we're fashioning something out of nothing.

the amount of work that it requires to develop one's craft continues to surprise me, even after several years pursuing my form of art in earnest. no matter the talent, the importance of planting one's butt firmly in one's chair and WORKING dwarfs any amount of "inspiration" or "creativity".

I am posting anonymously because I also wish to mention that there are several people on my friendslist who dabble in the same form of art I take seriously, and their (unwarranted) confidence in the quality of their own work bugs the *shit* out of me on occasion.

it also bugs me when someone will send me a file, unsolicited, and ask me for a critique. it's all so subjective, you know? unless one means to be a commercial success, in which case there is a very clear criterion for "quality" -- whether the art sells -- which probably has very little do with *my* opinion. (this does not apply to friends who send me stuff to ask whether I *enjoy* it, which is quite a different animal)

I'm not sure whether these comments are useful. but you can probably tell from them that my form of art is NOT writing, heh.

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[info]sclerotic_rings
2004-01-23 01:09 pm UTC (link)
And then we get the people who can't write for shit, won't consider the fact that they can't write for shit, and still manage to get their work published out of sheer bloodymindedness. If the equation is "work x talent x self-promotion" requires that talent, why the hell did Paul T. Riddell's career go on for as long as it did?

(Yep, the self-loathing is strong tonight. Why do you ask?)

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[info]nihilistic_kid
2004-01-23 01:14 pm UTC (link)
Well personally I loved your stuff and would check www.hpoo.com every week!

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Bless you
(Anonymous)
2004-01-23 02:43 pm UTC (link)
"Getting a career in the arts isn't like winning a lottery or being struck by lightning, it's like getting into the best medical school in the country and becoming a top brain surgeon."

Ah, like the people who played one role in high school and believe they're brilliant actors, because acting is easy, it's just pretending, and anybody can do that...

You mean, the artistic disciplines require discipline??!!!

I could get much more snarky, but you've done it better.

Fox

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yeah, there are a lot of sucky performers but...
(Anonymous)
2004-01-28 07:07 am UTC (link)
they're having their fun, living their fantasy and hurting no one. besides, they're so awful, they're compulsive viewing with millions and making a few people a serious amount of money.

for every great vanity title, there will be loads of shite. but the same can be said for titles released by reputable publishers and record labels. most stiff.

aren't you, like me (http://gutturalvomit.typepad.com/gutturalvomit/short_stories/index.html), engaging in a bit of vanity publishing?

leave em be. let em rot.

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Re: yeah, there are a lot of sucky performers but...
[info]nihilistic_kid
2004-01-28 07:59 am UTC (link)
Actually, I don't think their fantasies included weeping, cursing, and crying on television.

There is a lot of bad royalty published material out there, but it does not compare to the pure badness of the vanity publishing.

I don't write fiction or even saleable essays here on lj; this is closer to an open letter to friends than anything else.

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